Anti-smokers suffer major setback

Anti-smokers suffer major setback | MALAYA Business Insight News Online:

THE temporary restraining order on the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority’s "no smoking" policy has raised concern not only in the National Capital Region but also in the international community.

The Framework Convention Alliance (FCA) has expressed concern over legal challenges being faced by agencies tasked to adhere to the country’s commitment in the World Health Organization-Framework Convention on Tobacco Control (WHO-FCTC).

Anything that upsets the anti-smokers has to be good.

Fin

And the Debate was Over | Frank Davis:

I'm not even going to link anything here,Frank's posts deserve to be read and thought about.

This sort of thing pisses me off though,I started using an e cigarette because my money was damaging the lives of other smokers,my friends and family and people I never even met.
Every cent I poured into the system contributed to the crushing of a group of people using an entirely legal substance and I couldn't live with the idea of it.
I still can't.
Frank says something very wise when he says that  some vapers are antismokers,I just hope I never become one of them.

Official: Smokers Actually Visit Bars Less Often Now

Official: Smokers Actually Visit Bars Less Often Now - Health News Story - WLWT Cincinnati:

The graph now shows that 40 percent of current smokers who were surveyed say they visit bars less often, while about 7 percent of non-smokers say they go more often.

Republican Sen. Bill Seitz, of Cincinnati, and the ban's opponents have seized on the report, saying it's flawed and its executive summary omitted certain figures.

The Ohio Supreme Court is scheduled to hear oral arguments Oct. 19 in a constitutional challenge to the ban brought by bar and restaurant owners.

Wow now there's a shocking revelation.
(sarcasm implied) 

Council puts the butt out on smoking ban proposal

Council puts the butt out on smoking ban proposal

Deputy mayor Luke Charbonneau was concerned by the presentation as he felt Weppler was using a "sneaky" incremental approach in order to achieve the goal of making smoking illegal everywhere.
"What is the endgame of all this?" he asked. "You came to us a couple of years ago and you asked us to pass a bylaw to ban smoking in all of our playing fields. We didn't do that. We passed the resolution. Now you're back to us a couple years later and you're asking us to ban it on the beaches, and we've got this thing asking the county to ban it in entrances and exits to the municipally-owned areas and on private property.

"It seems apparent to me, given your logic in here, that next you'll be asking us to ban it on all municipally-owned property, followed thereafter by all private property. It seems to me that your goal is to ban smoking. And I'm confused as to why the Health Unit has decided to first come to the municpalities and ask us bit by bit, year over year to gradually increase the area whereby smoking is forbidden, when the obvious goal is to ban smoking. Why wouldn't you go to the province and ask them to ban smoking? It's a provincial election, I'm sure there'd be lots of guys out there willing to listen to you." "

Charbonneau closed by saying he was uncomfortable with the notion of reducing people's rights.
"I think we should be looking at finding ways to enable people to do more things, and I don't think the public wants us to be nickel-and-diming them with more and more bylaw enforcement on their doorstep telling them what they should and shouldn't consume," he said.

Reading that coming from someone in any kind of power is almost surprising.
Gives me a little ray of hope though when people think some things just go way too far.
The bad news and there is always bad news I think is that they or some of them at least think they could support some of it as a policy but not an actual law.

Wonder how that will work.

Tobacco Denormalization and Stigma

Tobacco Denormalization and Stigma « Neuroethics at the Core:

The new CAMH policy appears to be following a recent global political trend called tobacco denormalization. The goal of tobacco denormalization programs is to promote the idea that tobacco use is not a mainstream activity within society. CAMH is but one of many psychiatric facilities world-wide that have implemented denormalization programs. Yet, as a recent Globe and Mail article covering the story noted, since CAMH “is the country’s largest mental-health centre, other institutions will undoubtedly be watching to see how the new policy unfolds.”

Denormalization is an awful evil policy.
Nothing like lying and attempting to shame people out of a behavior simply because you don't like it.
The longer I look at these stories the more I find myself wondering exactly what the difference is between the scientific community and the church.
I find this so frustrating,how can you combat something where people pretend to have the moral high ground?

Delaware County bar owners say business down since smoking ban

Delaware County bar owners say business down since smoking ban | The Star Press | thestarpress.com:


Munson, predicting a scenario where county commissioners would one day tell citizens they couldn't smoke in their own homes, said county officials had "accomplished their mission."
"They've changed some behavior," he said, in a fashion that has been "fairly devastating to tavern owners."
Lawyers M. Edward Krause III, representing the county commissioners, and Don Dunnuck, a county commissioner who as an attorney represents the health board, said Munson had no grounds upon which to ask for the temporary injunction.
"Courts have ruled... there is no fundamental right to smoke," Dunnuck said.


Imagine that?
Business owners banding together to try and stop regulations from killing their businesses and jobs in the community.
I love seeing stuff like this,it's a shame it takes this much regulation to get people to stand up and say no we've had enough.


I wish things weren't the way they are now,because this issue was meant to divide us as human beings from one another and oddly it seems like it has always been this way.
Pipe smokers think they are different from cigar smokers who think they are different from cigarette smokers who think they're different from people who use smokeless tobacco.
It really is mind boggling to me that we never banded together and supported each other,it only makes the worst regulations seem like a worse travesty because maybe if we had the outcome might have been harder to achieve.
Once you separate entire groups of people and start allowing them to see other human beings as being alien and different it is all too easy to disassociate yourselves from them and allow things to happen to them that you would never want to have happen to you.
I have to stop there because the thought seems like it will never happen,but I hope I'm wrong.


I hope in my lifetime I see a huge wave of not smokers or drinkers or fat people but just  a huge wave of people standing up and saying no to things like this so we can stop being separate and start being human beings once again.

Alexandria hospital to ban odor of smoke on workers' clothes

Alexandria hospital to ban odor of smoke on workers' clothes | The Town Talk | thetowntalk.com:

 The policy will prohibit the use of tobacco products by employees while on their shifts, including when they are on breaks. It also will not allow employees to work if their clothing smells like smoke.
"About a month or two ago we sent a letter to all of our associates to their homes," hospital administrator Lisa R. Lauve said. "We sent a letter notifying them that they had a year to make whatever adjustments they needed to make to be able to comply with the policy that would not allow them to smoke during the hours that they work."
Hospital officials are aiming to reduce patients' and employees' exposure to toxins that linger in fabrics from a recently burned cigarette, also known as third-hand smoke, Lauve said. 


Sometimes it's hard to find the words to explain how frustrating this all is.
Junk science has an amazing ability to create policies for no reason.
It feels like this is never going to end,but it has to history tells us it has to end.
People forget how much history there is in these sorts of prohibitions and conditions on how we live our lives.